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North Dakota Measure 2: The uninformed, the unknown, and the fear of liberty

This past Tuesday I wrote about a measure on the ballot in North Dakota that will eliminate property taxes if it passes on June 12.  In that post I talked about statist forces that are working hard to defeat this measure.  This coalition is very large and very powerful.  I decided to get the pulse of my friends on this issue and I discovered a few disturbing things.

First off about 25 percent of the people I talk to about measure 2 didn’t even realize there was a measure on the ballot to eliminate property taxes.   This of course not only disappointed me but it also disturbed me a great deal.  How can you be living in North Dakota and not know that there is a measure on the ballot that if passed will have a profound impact on your liberty and property rights?  The truth is I really haven’t seen many ads promoting measure 2 with the exception of a few misleading ads against the measure.  This is a problem. The deck is stacked against the passage of measure 2 when only one side of the debate is being heard.

Another 50 percent of the people I talked to were unsure about the measure.  Some were afraid that the elimination of the property tax would lead to doom and gloom for the schools, seniors, fire and police station.  Basically they were buying into the snake oil Keep it Local is peddling.  They are fearful that their tax obligation to the state will skyrocket if the revenue from property tax is eliminated.  I heard over and over again about how the state would need to make up for the lost revenue and the taxpayer would carry that burden.  They’re taking a it’s better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don’t approach.  I told them the devil you know is taking the good people of North Dakota to the cleaners in regards to their property tax.  I even did the math and showed them how much the city is sticking it to them.  This fear of the unknown has a powerful grip on many of my friends.

Lastly 25 percent of my friends were all in.  They view property taxes as a burden that must go away.  They see it for what it is; enslavement. One friend told me that he felt that as long as we have property taxes we only have an illusion of property rights.  I thought his words hit the mark.  And this is what it’s really about, property rights and liberty; however many have become comfortable with the illusion.  We have been conditioned to accept the government infringing on our rights and have become fearful of liberty.  We’re afraid to view a society without government interfering in our affairs because for most of us this is all we have known.  A life where we control our own destiny by making decisions without government oversight is a scary thing for many.  We need to break free from this mindset and embrace the idea of self-governance once again. We must stand up for liberty and wrap our arms around it.  It will embrace us back and we will be stronger for it.  The elimination of the property tax is a step in the right direction.

In case you didn’t know the coalition we’re up against, below is a list of associations and unions that are supporting the defeat of measurement 2.  Take a good hard look at the first three and then ask yourself if these organizations really have your interests in mind or do they have the interests of someone or something else.  The answers seems pretty clear to me.

  • AARP of North Dakota – In case you forgot AARP actively supported the passage of ObamaCare
  • AFSCME Council 59 – American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is one of the largest unions in the nation and is affiliated with the AFL-CIO
  • AGC of North Dakota – The National and State Associations act as a representative voice for members of the AGC on such issues as rules, regulations, legislation, labor relations, bidding procedures, etc.  AGC of America is ranked in the top 50 special interest groups in 1998 by Fortune Magazine, AGC of America came in 47th. To be in the top 50 special interest groups among the thousands in Washington D. C. is quite an accomplishment.
  • American Council of Engineering Companies of North Dakota (ACEC/ND)
  • Badlands Board of REALTORS
  • Basin Electric Power Cooperative
  • Bismarck Mandan Development Association
  • Bismarck-Mandan Board of REALTORS
  • Bismarck-Mandan Chamber of Commerce
  • Bismarck-Mandan Home Builders Association
  • Burke Divide Electric Cooperative
  • Burleigh County Township Association
  • Capital Electric Cooperative Inc.
  • Cass County Electric Cooperative
  • Cavalier Electric Cooperative
  • Central Power Electric Cooperative
  • Credit Union Association of the Dakotas
  • Dakota Valley Electric Cooperativ
  • Dickinson Area Builders Association
  • Fargo Citywide PTA
  • Fargo Moorhead Area Association of REALTORS
  • FMWF Chamber of Commerce
  • Forx Builders Association
  • Fraternal Order of Police
  • Grand Forks Area Association of REALTORS
  • Grand Forks Chamber of Commerce
  • Grand Forks County Employees Association
  • Great River Energy
  • Greater Fargo Moorhead Economic Development Corporation
  • Home Builders Association of Fargo/Moorhead
  • Independent Community Banks of North Dakota
  • Jamestown Board of REALTORS
  • Jamestown Chamber of Commerce
  • KEM Electric Cooperative
  • Lignite Energy Council
  • McKenzie Electric Cooperative
  • Minnkota Power Cooperative, Inc.
  • Minot Association of Builders
  • Minot Board of REALTORS
  • Minot Chamber of Commerce
  • Mor-Gran-Sou Electric Cooperative, Inc
  • ND Assoc. of Oil & Gas Producing Counties
  • ND Water Resource Districts
  • ND Water User Association
  • NoDak Electic Cooperative
  • North Central Electric Cooperative
  • North Dakota AFL-CIO
  • North Dakota Association of Builders
  • North Dakota Association of Career & Technical Education
  • North Dakota Association of Counties
  • North Dakota Association of REALTORS
  • North Dakota Bankers Association
  • North Dakota Beer Distributors Association
  • North Dakota Beer Distributors Association
  • North Dakota Chamber of Commerce
  • North Dakota Corn Growers
  • North Dakota Education Association
  • North Dakota Emergency Medical Services Association
  • North Dakota Farmers Union
  • North Dakota Grain Growers
  • North Dakota Grocers Association
  • North Dakota League of Cities
  • North Dakota Long Term Care Association
  • North Dakota Motor Carriers Association
  • North Dakota Petroleum Council
  • North Dakota Petroleum Marketers Association
  • North Dakota PTA
  • North Dakota Public Employees Association
  • North Dakota Recreation & Park Association
  • North Dakota Retailers
  • North Dakota Rural Electric Cooperatives
  • North Dakota Rural Telephone Cooperatives
  • North Dakota Rural Water Systems Associations
  • North Dakota School Boards Association
  • North Dakota Senior Service Providers
  • North Dakota Soybean Association
  • North Dakota Stockmen’s Association
  • North Dakota Township Officers
  • North Dakota Utility Shareholders
  • Northern Plains Electric Cooperative
  • Professional Firefighters of North Dakota
  • Roughrider Electric Cooperative
  • Slope Electric Cooperative
  • Tobacco Free North Dakota
  • Valley City Chamber of Commerce
  • Verendrye Electric Cooperative
  • Wahpeton Breckenridge Area Board of Realtors
  • Wahpeton Breckenridge Chamber of Commerce
  • Ward County Farmers Union
  • Williston Area Builders Association
  • Williston Board of Realtors
  • Williston Chamber of Commerce


Source: Keep it Local ND

For more information about measure 2 please stop by Empower The Taxpayer.  Stand up for liberty on June 12th and vote yes on measure 2.

Liberty forever, freedom for all!


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  • Steve Dennis June 1, 2012 at 5:08 AM

    You’re facing an uphill climb going against that machine John. It looks like they are powerful and committed.
    I wonder how many of those people who didn’t even know about this measure actually vote because there is no way they can follow politics in your state closely, hopefully they will stay home. And hopefully enough people won’t be persuaded by the scare tactice which are being thrown at the measure.
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    • John Carey June 1, 2012 at 6:48 AM

      Those who support measure 2 are facing an uphill climb. As you can see the organizations and associations lined up against it is extensive. As for those who had no idea about measure 2…well I just don’t see how you could miss that one. The one thing I know is the more people who read about measure 2 and look into the facts the more people support measure 2.
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  • silverfiddle June 1, 2012 at 7:33 AM

    Interesting. Government needs tax money to run itself and maintain infrastructure, but the property tax could be seen as a permanent government lien on your property.

    So where will the money come from if this passes? Oil and gas revenue? Or will governments just increase another tax to make up the difference?
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    • John Carey June 2, 2012 at 7:12 AM

      North Dakota is one of the few states that are operating with a surplus. However it is estimated that if measure 2 passes revenue lost will be about $812 million. My guess is they will either try to make up by increasing the state income tax, a sales tax, or expanding the lottery. Additionally there is plenty of waste and if they can reduce the waste a big portion of this $812 million in lost revenue to can be made up with an increase in taxes. Still in the end this would be a huge win for property rights because the government will not be able to hold your property hostage and in the end this is what it’s about.
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  • Infidel de Manahatta June 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

    The roll call of those opposed to the measure is very interesting. That in itself is enough to make one favor the resolution.
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  • Jim at Conservatives on Fire June 1, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Too few people understand tha there is a responsibility that goes along with being a citizen. Good luck, my friend.
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  • Justin LaBar June 1, 2012 at 11:44 PM

    It is amazing (and sad) how many North Dakotans are buying into the arguments of “Keep It Local ND” (KIL ND). Please, check out two YouTube videos I made on this subject.


  • Justin LaBar June 1, 2012 at 11:45 PM

    Sorry, my second link got messed up. Here it is:

  • Teresa Rice June 3, 2012 at 7:09 AM

    How about the keep more money in your wallet/pocketbook approach? It is sad to hear that no ads are running in favor of measure 2. How do the people who brought the measure into existence think that other North Dakotans are going to hear about it? Great job John at spreading the word – the facts – about measure 2. It looks like its going to be tough to pass with so many organizations looking out for their own interests and not the citizens’ interests.

    • John Carey June 3, 2012 at 10:07 AM

      One day people will get it Teresa. It will take another effort and a different approach from supporters of this measure. People are afraid of the unknown so they would rather deal with the devil they know even though the devil they know is robbing them blind. How sad is that.
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  • Dennis June 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    Hi, I’m from out of state but was interested in what you guys were thinking and how you were voting on your two issues… Just one big question? Where does the organization, ACG stand today? 1998 is an entire era ago. The country that existed then is no where to be found and I’m REALLY curious what the top 50 look like today and who they are.